Object Worship

Andy Pitcher and the Line 6 DL4

Episode Summary

Andy Pitcher, Director of Artist Marketing at D'Addario and an often OBNE cohort and consultant (fun fact, Andy came up with the term Phase Repeater) brings his milieu of Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modellers and discusses the early influence the DL-4 as an Object and how it informed his trajectory.

Episode Notes

In this episode: Dan Pechacek and Andy Othling field a listener voicemail on left of the Object Worship Hog Line Hotline (505 ODD-HOGS* before welcoming guest Andy Pitcher. Andy Pitcher has worked in the music and manufacturing industries for the better part of a decade, from Pigtronix, Supro, Red Panda, String Joy, and is currently the Director of Artist Marketing at D'Addario in New York. Andy is also a prolific musical artist, playing solo avant-garde improvisations, guesting in bands, sessioning on albums, and more. Andy has also made meaningful contributions to OBNE releases and is a joy to know and work with.

Dan, Andy Othling, and Andy Pitcher discuss their own experiences with the DL-4, how it compares to the MKII, and whether it is okay that it still sums to mono in looper mode. Also, who wants to try ...egg ice cream?

Keep up with Andy Pitcher at https://www.andypitcher.com/

* (505) 633-4647 call for a weird time and leave a voice memo.

Episode Transcription

dan_pechacek:

Hello, hello. Welcome to Object Worship.

andy:

I was watching other Andy's face.

dan_pechacek:

It's a podcast.

andy:

Sorry, go ahead, Dan. Ha ha!

dan_pechacek:

We all had a lot of fun during that theme and I hope that happens every single week. Let's just, let's first stop just right off the bat. We're gonna thank Andy Othling for the

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You

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lovely theme

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are

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song

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welcome,

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To object

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worship.

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pleasure.

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And then I guess for you the listener, this might be your episode two, it might be your episode one. Maybe you're not

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Maybe

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even listening

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we're so

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successful

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it yet.

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in the future that

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That's

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you're going

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interesting.

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back through the back catalog because you can't get enough of us and you're

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like,

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yeah,

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God, I'm gonna go back to the beginning.

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familiar with the new stuff.

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We're probably doing, it's

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Archivist.

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probably years down the road and we're like so successful, so financially well off and stable in different ways that we just have a burgeoning fan base, burgeoning? I don't know.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah. And I think, and we probably just sound like

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Yeah,

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such

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babies,

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sound stupid.

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you know, people are like, wow, this is where it

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Oh.

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started. I can't believe it.

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But we're glad you're here, coming back through the back at all.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

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Ha.

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It's, it's nice. It's nice to see you

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Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

people of the future. Um, so this is a podcast where we talk about objects. Basically, the idea is we're going to share some reverence for the tangible and the, the intangibles that they help us create. Um, and we are alongside that, I am your host, Dan Piachek. I am a designer of effects pedals by day. And then I'm joined by your other host, Andy Othling, who is an effects pedal enjoyer

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Do we

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have the

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day.

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most annoying podcast names? Well, I don't feel like either of ours are very straightforward. Like Andy and Dan, cool.

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I think mine

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Yeah,

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easy.

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easy.

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But Pee Hot Check and Othling,

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Dan

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like,

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Piachek?

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blah,

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I'm

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mean,

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just like,

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super

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clean.

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mouth is tired after saying that.

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You just you look at my name and it's silent C invisible H. It's really

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Silent

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easy

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and

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invisible.

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pronounce then

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Nice. Ah.

dan_pechacek:

Um, so yeah, we're, uh, we're, we've got a friend with us today. We're gonna, we're going to talk to him a little later, uh, and he's brought in an object that has been, uh, formative in his career as a, as a musician and, uh, just creative person in general. Um, so we're going to get to that, but I feel like first, maybe we should hear from some of you, the listener, not the future listeners, but perhaps

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Let's

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past

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hear from

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listeners

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one of the hogs.

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that have maybe called in on the hog

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Woo!

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line.

andy:

Okay, so we're getting into the swing of the hog line, we're still trying to figure it out together, us and the burgeoning fan base that I mentioned

Andy Pitcher:

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before.

Andy Pitcher:

ha ha!

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Bye.

andy:

But I picked a couple here that are really, will pertain to the conversation, I believe, and maybe bring us into something really, really deep to talk about together. So here's the first one here. Hi, I was wondering, why haven't they made a bit in Jerry's flavor that's just egg? All the things they've done, such untapped potential. It really bothers me. Thought I'd let you know that. Have a good day. So I was struck by this is something I've never thought of in my entire life. Just egg ice

dan_pechacek:

Thank you.

andy:

cream?

Andy Pitcher:

I don't think anyone has ever had this thought

dan_pechacek:

is.

Andy Pitcher:

besides

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Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

our dear odd hog.

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feel like I stumbled on something truly

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It just,

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unique here like wow

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha.

dan_pechacek:

I'm thinking like, is it French

andy:

Thank you. Thank you.

dan_pechacek:

vanilla? Like one of the vanilla's is

andy:

dan_pechacek:

like an eggy

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but it.

dan_pechacek:

vanilla. And I'm like, this person just went, this was like, you listen, what I love about it is the difference between it and a normal vanilla, not the vanilla. So I want exclusively the difference

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha

dan_pechacek:

presented

Andy Pitcher:

ha!

dan_pechacek:

in the form of an

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just

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ice cream.

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egg. It's so, yeah. I know, that's

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Just,

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like an intrusive

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just

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thought

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really

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I'm gonna

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yellow.

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have now, thanks to this.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, it's kind of like, like just hearing the carrier on a ring mod. Like I just want that. I just want the difference. Just give me the egg. But, but because it's been in Jerry's, it

dan_pechacek:

Just

Andy Pitcher:

wouldn't

dan_pechacek:

kidding.

Andy Pitcher:

be casual. They'd be like with it, with

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Oh,

Andy Pitcher:

a yellow yolk swirl and,

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it'll

Andy Pitcher:

and

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be...

Andy Pitcher:

crispy edges.

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Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

And then there would be like the dairy-free one that was made

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

with like just egg, you know? So it's like a vegan

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

dan_pechacek:

alternative.

Andy Pitcher:

aquafaba.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

andy:

Anyway, Ben and Jerry's

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

andy:

egg. I'm just picturing it with the letters just

dan_pechacek:

Thank you.

andy:

egg,

dan_pechacek:

Bye.

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about

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha.

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EGG on the

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Good.

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front, like with a

Andy Pitcher:

Would

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goofy

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they,

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font.

Andy Pitcher:

what would they do for like a pun?

andy:

Uh, oh that's true. Uh, I mean, I mean, egg salient is right there. That's low

Andy Pitcher:

Oh yeah,

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hanging fruit.

Andy Pitcher:

yeah, that's

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Um,

Andy Pitcher:

easy.

dan_pechacek:

Yep.

andy:

yeah, I

dan_pechacek:

Great, great egg expectations.

andy:

That's really good.

Andy Pitcher:

I think low expectations

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Mwuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh

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would be

dan_pechacek:

No!

Andy Pitcher:

a degree more accurate. Van Luens just released a Hidden Valley Ranch ice cream.

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Jesus that, oh my god,

Andy Pitcher:

And there's

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that's an

Andy Pitcher:

one

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am-

Andy Pitcher:

about two blocks from me and it haunts me, just knowing that such evil

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Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

is being protracted so close to where I sleep.

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Also,

dan_pechacek:

That's

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but

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unacceptable.

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I gave Ben and Jerry's as a prompt for this because I knew our guest was a fan of Ben and Jerry's and

Andy Pitcher:

you

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hearing about an egg flavor, I thought would be really, really fun.

Andy Pitcher:

shakes me to

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But

Andy Pitcher:

my core.

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hey, Ben

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

and Jerry's

Andy Pitcher:

runny

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core,

Andy Pitcher:

yoke core.

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Bye.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

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isn't

Andy Pitcher:

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their

Andy Pitcher:

runny

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core

Andy Pitcher:

yoke core. Yeah.

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the Aranillo

Andy Pitcher:

Low expectations,

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core flavor?

Andy Pitcher:

Ben and Jerry core.

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So,

dan_pechacek:

Yeah, I'll just get a single with, could I get, yeah, the two scoops with like a, so like egg and Hidden Valley Ranch. Is that a good combo?

Andy Pitcher:

Graças a Apple!

andy:

It's like, I'm imagining

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

andy:

the like, it's a cold stone where you can pick all your toppings and there's all the normal ones and then there's just like a box of eggs,

dan_pechacek:

I'm sorry.

andy:

dan_pechacek:

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

andy:

fried eggs and like, it just turns into a breakfast, a continental breakfast thing.

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Bye.

andy:

Anyway.

Andy Pitcher:

They got the little tubs and one of them is just like mysteriously swirling and they put in a

andy:

Thank you. Bye.

Andy Pitcher:

scoop with no bottom they pull out a poached egg.

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Thank you.

andy:

Yeah

Andy Pitcher:

They put

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Andy Pitcher:

it on the cold stone.

andy:

So I was going to play a second voicemail too that relates to the object we're talking about. And maybe that can bring us into the conversation. Because I asked for hot takes on the DL4 in the Discord. And so this one sounded kind of interesting. Maybe we can start from here. We'll see.

dan_pechacek:

All right, that sounds good.

andy:

I'll take them the DL for there should have been a deal to or maybe a loop to What a deal to like the same thing with a few acts you different knobs to switches with a favorite Shryman Like ten years ago. There should have been like an update.

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you.

andy:

That's

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you.

andy:

true. That's true With maybe a chip that doesn't die or something like that. Yeah, and then maybe just a standalone loop paddle with nothing but the switches I don't know the deal for takes a lot of space That's my idea. Yeah. So, yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Fair opinions.

Andy Pitcher:

I uh there is the JM4 which was the only the looper um from that same series is that the

andy:

But

Andy Pitcher:

MM4

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it...

Andy Pitcher:

modulation the DM4 all that stuff but yeah the JM4 it's it's a nightmare and it

andy:

It's

Andy Pitcher:

doesn't

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even bigger than the DL4, is it not?

Andy Pitcher:

oh yeah yeah no it totally is it's like

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

it's like they took it to its extreme and ruined it

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Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

But didn't they

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Bye.

andy:

add beats and stuff? You can turn on

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha ha ha

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generic.

Andy Pitcher:

ha ha ha

andy:

It's... yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah, because JM is like

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

jam

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you. Bye.

dan_pechacek:

man, right? Like it's like, ah, this is everything

andy:

Yep.

dan_pechacek:

you need in

Andy Pitcher:

the

dan_pechacek:

a loop.

Andy Pitcher:

Digitech, the Digitech Jamman. It is really so interesting looking back at all the loop stuff before this recent resurgence. Prediddo loops. Oh my gosh, they're all nightmares. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. I don't know what

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

to say. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say.

andy:

Yeah. Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Thank you.

andy:

Maybe we should officially introduce our

dan_pechacek:

All

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burgeoning

dan_pechacek:

right, I was gonna say, let me,

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DL4

dan_pechacek:

before we dive into the deep end,

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fan.

dan_pechacek:

welcome your guest,

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I'm

Andy Pitcher:

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just

Andy Pitcher:

yeah.

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going to keep

dan_pechacek:

Andy

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using that word

dan_pechacek:

Pitcher.

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wrong.

dan_pechacek:

And now, we're gonna go over to Andy Pitcher. Andy, you're gonna be the guest. Andy, you're gonna be the guest. Andy, you're gonna be the guest. Andy, you're gonna be the guest. Andy, you're gonna be the guest. Andy,

Andy Pitcher:

Hello.

dan_pechacek:

you're gonna

andy:

Woooooo!

dan_pechacek:

be the guest.

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you.

dan_pechacek:

I said,

andy:

Sucker!

dan_pechacek:

I said, your guest and I was like

andy:

Oh,

dan_pechacek:

that.

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who

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

said that?

Andy Pitcher:

ha ha ha!

andy:

Oh, shit.

dan_pechacek:

I was like, I guess he is their guest, but he's also our guest. Who, what does it mean to be a guest? Like who,

andy:

What do you say?

dan_pechacek:

okay. So Andy is the director of artist marketing for DaDario.

Andy Pitcher:

Cheers.

dan_pechacek:

And you may know him from many companies he's worked with before. We got Supro, Pigtronics, Red Panda, Stringjoy.

andy:

Wow.

dan_pechacek:

He's had a long history for a young person

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You know

dan_pechacek:

andy:

what

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the

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I'm thinking

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industry.

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when

dan_pechacek:

And

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I hear that long

dan_pechacek:

we...

andy:

list of stuff he's done? You think I rolled that and then some?

Andy Pitcher:

Wow.

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

That's it. Eugh!

andy:

I don't actually, I don't think that actually,

Andy Pitcher:

That's

andy:

I'm sorry.

Andy Pitcher:

okay.

andy:

I shouldn't have said that.

Andy Pitcher:

Hey, you didn't

dan_pechacek:

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

say

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don't

Andy Pitcher:

it.

dan_pechacek:

andy:

think

dan_pechacek:

ha.

andy:

you're dumb, diddy dumb, okay?

Andy Pitcher:

Fred said that.

andy:

Fred said that.

Andy Pitcher:

you just can, you know, pass on the message.

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

We're all just

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

a conduit for Fred, really.

Andy Pitcher:

I was talking about the Dershper's yesterday.

andy:

I forgot about that.

Andy Pitcher:

How?

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha ha ha!

Andy Pitcher:

How could

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

you forget?

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I-

Andy Pitcher:

How could you have any

andy:

I-

Andy Pitcher:

other thought besides egg and

andy:

egg and durst burst.

Andy Pitcher:

durz-burz?

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha ha.

andy:

Only two thoughts left.

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you. Bye.

andy:

Uhhh

Andy Pitcher:

Just in two brain cells with an

dan_pechacek:

man.

Andy Pitcher:

arc going back between them.

andy:

Yeah. Egg.

Andy Pitcher:

Like, there's

andy:

And

dan_pechacek:

Egg,

Andy Pitcher:

first

andy:

just...

dan_pechacek:

Dersperst,

Andy Pitcher:

egg,

dan_pechacek:

egg,

Andy Pitcher:

there's

dan_pechacek:

Dersperst.

Andy Pitcher:

first.

andy:

All right, we need to- we need

dan_pechacek:

Well,

andy:

to-

dan_pechacek:

I guess, I guess we kind of buried the lead here, but, uh, we, so we're talking about the DL for today. So, uh, I was going to say Andy, what, you know, what object have you brought in to

Andy Pitcher:

Sure, we

dan_pechacek:

show

Andy Pitcher:

could do

dan_pechacek:

and

Andy Pitcher:

it.

dan_pechacek:

tell

Andy Pitcher:

We could

dan_pechacek:

today? But, um,

Andy Pitcher:

dan_pechacek:

listen,

Andy Pitcher:

it.

dan_pechacek:

we all know, let's,

Andy Pitcher:

Hey.

dan_pechacek:

let's,

andy:

Let's

dan_pechacek:

let's

andy:

all

dan_pechacek:

say

andy:

say

dan_pechacek:

andy:

dan_pechacek:

though.

andy:

together.

dan_pechacek:

Let me, we want

andy:

Can

dan_pechacek:

to hear

andy:

we all

dan_pechacek:

you

andy:

say

dan_pechacek:

say

andy:

dan_pechacek:

it.

andy:

together?

dan_pechacek:

What, so.

andy:

D-

dan_pechacek:

Probably not.

andy:

Oh.

dan_pechacek:

Latency is

andy:

One,

dan_pechacek:

horrible.

andy:

two, three,

Andy Pitcher:

Line 60L4,

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

line 60L4.

seth_mccarroll:

Dear...

andy:

four,

Andy Pitcher:

If you

andy:

Line

Andy Pitcher:

haven't

andy:

six,

Andy Pitcher:

read

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

the name of

dan_pechacek:

DL4.

Andy Pitcher:

the episode,

andy:

four,

Andy Pitcher:

today we're talking about the line 60L4. It's true.

andy:

Line

Andy Pitcher:

It's

andy:

six,

Andy Pitcher:

true. It's true. It's

andy:

yes.

Andy Pitcher:

true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true.

andy:

Thank you, Andy, for doing that for us.

Andy Pitcher:

You're welcome. I always think about that when I listen to podcasts. So like today we're talking about it. Like I know I clicked on.

andy:

Yeah, we clicked, yeah.

dan_pechacek:

I know, yeah, it's in the

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

description, it's

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

right there.

Andy Pitcher:

I did my due diligence.

dan_pechacek:

But yeah, so I guess I would love to hear just first, like

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

dan_pechacek:

why the DL4, when we say, Andy, we'd love to get to know you through a tangible thing that has been important in your journey. I know you had kind of a variety of thoughts, but DL4 was one of the strong ones, and you ended up picking that one. I'm curious what stands out about that in your journey in particular.

Andy Pitcher:

I think it's one of those things. I think there are objects and things that impact you really young, and you always have a sense of nostalgia about them, because they were that moment. I think for our generation, a lot of times, it's like video games and stuff like that. You know, like, oh, I hear this song, I play this game, it takes me back. The deal for is something that has kind of been ever present, but doesn't have that sense to it. It still feels like

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

something for me to explore. It still feels like, something that has unfound potential. And to be able to have a deep connection with something without any sense of nostalgia is really rewarding and rare. So I think that's something that keeps me coming back to it and it's something that maybe you want to, you know, extol about it to the burgeoning listening

andy:

Yeah,

Andy Pitcher:

group.

andy:

that aspect of it is interesting

dan_pechacek:

Thank you.

andy:

because

dan_pechacek:

Bye.

andy:

there's so much in the gear world that seems to be purely based on nostalgia. There's

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

currently a bad monkey research going

Andy Pitcher:

Yes.

andy:

around that.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

That's not nostalgia necessarily,

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

andy:

but it's not. I don't know.

dan_pechacek:

It's like a kitschy thing of like, did you know this is actually pretty good?

andy:

Thank you. Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

Hehehehe

dan_pechacek:

But the reason people are saying this is actually pretty good is because it seems like an old bad thing.

Andy Pitcher:

an old bad monkey.

dan_pechacek:

Whereas the deal for, for like,

andy:

Right, but what you're saying is more like, I can use this pedal

dan_pechacek:

the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for, for like, the deal for

andy:

right now for something new and cool and it might surprise me even,

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

andy:

which is awesome.

Andy Pitcher:

yeah. And it's also like a pedal I got when I was 16 or 17.

andy:

Mm-hmm.

Andy Pitcher:

It was after I could drive,

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

because I traded for it in a mall. My

andy:

Oh,

Andy Pitcher:

first one.

andy:

like, I was like, you traded a car for

dan_pechacek:

Amazing.

andy:

it? I was like, no, you drove there. I see.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

andy:

Okay.

Andy Pitcher:

yeah, yeah.

dan_pechacek:

And it's interesting to think of like that the DL4 is like this fixed device that, you know, they finally put out a mark two, like

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

last year, over 20 years after the mark one comes out. But it's a device that despite being fixed, like you as a musician can grow with it. I think that's like, that speaks to that, that thing of nostalgia

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

and current exploration that it's like, cause I was about to say, it's interesting that it's, it's as if it's like a pedal that grows with you. And it's like, no, the pedal.

andy:

The pedal's just the pedal.

dan_pechacek:

Honestly, like it's, you

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

know, it's just the pedal, but it's something that you learn and utilize

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

in different

Andy Pitcher:

you can

dan_pechacek:

ways

Andy Pitcher:

grow

dan_pechacek:

over

Andy Pitcher:

with

dan_pechacek:

time.

Andy Pitcher:

it.

dan_pechacek:

Which is

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

a special thing.

Andy Pitcher:

it's interesting.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

And think about people who would have been using it first. If you put out a big delay computer, people buy it. Like we can see that from Strymon

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

and EvanTai before them. But all these people went out and bought the big delay computer and found out the Looper was

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

one of the most rewarding algorithms in the musical world.

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

That's really the thing that people come back to, like our hog on the voicemail. I just said, like,

andy:

Hehehe.

Andy Pitcher:

wasn't

andy:

Hehehe.

Andy Pitcher:

there just like a looper version that was smaller and more accessible? And some of the work we did at Red Panda with TensorFlow of like kind of adding a hidden DL4 mode, but what if you could take it away further with the TensorFlow controls? It's that loop situation just is so smart.

andy:

Yeah. Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

And that's one of the 16 things it does. It's not.

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

It shouldn't have been the star of the show. So

andy:

Right.

Andy Pitcher:

yeah, definitely

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

you could buy it because you need three delay sounds and Then one day you try the looper and all of a sudden you don't even use the delay sounds anymore And then you're

andy:

Right.

Andy Pitcher:

modding it to get the delay. Yeah, just

andy:

Well, and then you use the looper for 10 years and then you go back to the delay sounds, you're like, oh wait, these are kind of cool too. And

Andy Pitcher:

These are pretty

andy:

then

Andy Pitcher:

great,

andy:

you,

Andy Pitcher:

yeah.

andy:

yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah. Yeah, they're like 20 year old algorithms that still sound

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

really

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

nice to this day.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah. And that is like, and that's just a testament to the team that worked on it. But uh, yeah, that's kind of my, my, my love. I don't know. Is there, uh, do you have, uh, is there, like, I don't want to jump the, jump the gun and if you have like a question or something.

dan_pechacek:

No, yeah, we're just,

Andy Pitcher:

Cool.

dan_pechacek:

we're moving together now. Did you have a question

Andy Pitcher:

No, just

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

like,

dan_pechacek:

a thought or something you're about to?

Andy Pitcher:

I could talk about how I connected with it first or something.

andy:

I would love to know how you used

dan_pechacek:

I would

andy:

it.

dan_pechacek:

love that, yeah.

andy:

Was it straight into looper mode, like minus the bear or were

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

you getting it? Yeah, it was.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

Okay.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah. So, so basically, um, my first pedal was like a weird multi effect. And then I got a DS one, um, because I wanted to, I didn't have my, I didn't know my amp was a bass amp, but my first amp I used for years and years was like something I found in the house that was my dad's. Um, my dad had passed a couple of years before I started playing guitar. So I had some equipment, but I didn't know how to use it or what it was or didn't really have context around it. Um, and so I just was like, damn, my amp doesn't have distortion. That's so weird. So I went out and got

andy:

Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

a distortion pedal after my multi-effect thing and Then I got the DD7 and it took me like a year to save up for it but it was the newest boss delay at

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

the time and It had a looper that was a lot of fun and You know, it's kind of like caveman and you got to like hold down the switch and then jumps into this mode And then you could loop with it and then whatever But I got really into that and then I got the external tap tempo didn't have to do the hold down

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

thing. And I just dug into that. And then one day I had seen the, as a like, fanatic rig rundown watcher, I had seen the minus the bear rig rundown.

andy:

Hmm

Andy Pitcher:

And I mean, I was probably 15, 16 somewhere in there, I was born in 95. And so I then like, need this thing, because it does all the looping stuff I like from the

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

cooler and it seems like I don't know just like a way to interact with pedals that I've been really craving but didn't I never had such a real-time thing and so I went on

andy:

Was

Andy Pitcher:

Craigslist

andy:

it the, because the way Dave uses it though, is very different than I've even seen most people use it from minus the bear, which is like the one shot sample playing thing.

Andy Pitcher:

Yep, yep.

andy:

As opposed to like, let's let this thing roll over and over and over and keep playing. Was that specifically what you wanted to do? Or was it more just like, oh, I see the looper looks cool in general.

Andy Pitcher:

Oh, it was the one shot stuff for sure, because

andy:

Okay.

Andy Pitcher:

I, at this time...

andy:

I feel like that's the most obscure, like obtuse usage of the deal for.

Andy Pitcher:

Sure.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah. But it's, yeah, it's also something that is so specific

andy:

Y-Right.

dan_pechacek:

to the DL4. Cause I'm trying to remember when I got a DL4 as well, but it was around, it was like 2008

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

or somewhere in there. And I feel like it was after nights came out. Like, so, uh, that minus the bare single that like the initial riff

Andy Pitcher:

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dan_pechacek:

is purely based on one shot samples. And it felt like,

andy:

Hehehe.

dan_pechacek:

yeah, exactly that one. And it was like, this is like, how is this possible? And it's like, yeah, it's part of just the, the DL4. for micro loop, the specific way it can do that.

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

And now things like tensor can grab those little things, but imagine a board full of tensors doing that.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, I've

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

done

dan_pechacek:

I don't know if you can.

Andy Pitcher:

it. I've done it in private,

dan_pechacek:

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Andy Pitcher:

but it's yeah, it's just really was like an amazing thing to hear and and being like such a fan of using this delay with really short times to get these long digital like stuttering sounds and this looper, but it was all really hard to get seeing that done. It was not only inspiring to sounds I could maybe get in the future, but to also do the things I already was enjoying

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

more easily. And, you know, wanting to find ways to make the guitar. four or five years I play guitar I just could not make my hands work and so instead of I just didn't know to practice honestly and so I just went try to go weirder and weirder

andy:

Thank you. Bye.

Andy Pitcher:

because I was like I can't be bad if I'm immeasurable basically.

andy:

Dude, that is a great quote. I can't be bad if I'm immeasurable.

dan_pechacek:

That is

andy:

Like,

dan_pechacek:

incredible.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

andy:

holy shit.

Andy Pitcher:

and so I was just like, I was just like playing like Sabbath riffs and weird sounds and like, I wish TikTok didn't get, I'm sorry, Vine didn't get nuked because I was doing like

andy:

Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

even gnarlier stuff back on Vine for no one.

andy:

Oh man.

Andy Pitcher:

But yeah, it just, it just was like really fun. And then I, and then I realized at some point like, oh, you got to practice. And so the deal for like the one year mark basically of me learning to practice. And so I was spending like five, six hours a day playing and really like digging deeper and deeper into the instrument. And the DL4 was the thing that like felt like, oh, it's all of it at once. I can use it for these weird one shot things. These sounds I've always wanted, but now I can be a little more intentional and like have an idea of the harmony I'm aiming for. And it was, it was the, was it the bit? Is that the, no, no, no, that's the meldons. minus the bear song. Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum

andy:

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Andy Pitcher:

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was

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the

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right?

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Isn't that

Andy Pitcher:

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andy:

that song?

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dan_pechacek:

Okay,

Andy Pitcher:

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dan_pechacek:

yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

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andy:

Dang.

Andy Pitcher:

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dan_pechacek:

Amazing.

Andy Pitcher:

bum bum bum bum

andy:

You

Andy Pitcher:

bum

andy:

should.

Andy Pitcher:

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dan_pechacek:

Please

Andy Pitcher:

bum bum

dan_pechacek:

do.

Andy Pitcher:

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andy:

Mm-hmm.

Andy Pitcher:

you can this, there's nothing

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

random in this pedal. You can use it randomly.

andy:

Great.

Andy Pitcher:

You can button mash, but if you can have repeatable, like tactical results over and over to a level

andy:

Yep.

Andy Pitcher:

of precision that is just amazing. And so it was kind of like Dave inspired. I got into my own stuff. And then I realized like, oh, you can be real dorky about the Dave thing and like

andy:

Hehehe.

Andy Pitcher:

actually write out how to play

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

those

dan_pechacek:

ha ha!

Andy Pitcher:

things on a on a musical stage. So Yeah,

andy:

men.

Andy Pitcher:

it's it's I think that's something that attracts me to it that there's nothing It can only surprise you if you're not expecting its next move basically But you can even do like you know if you change time while you're recording you can do metric modulation and stuff You can play in four hit the button on the three and then hit play and it'll play back in three with a pitch shift in there Or a five and it with

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

the pitch after if you pitch shift up it will go three and it's like oh my gosh There's so much math in this fucking pedal if you if you let it be you know

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Bye.

Andy Pitcher:

And that's

andy:

Yep.

Andy Pitcher:

what I mean about it, like, being rewarding continuously.

andy:

Hmm

dan_pechacek:

Yeah, that if you if you continue to go deeper with it, it will continue to work with

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

you on that, you know,

Andy Pitcher:

it's

dan_pechacek:

it'll.

Andy Pitcher:

never, never still.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah, I'm curious. So obviously you have a you got a mark

Andy Pitcher:

Mm-hmm.

dan_pechacek:

two when it came out. I'm curious what your experience of having spent so much time with the mark one and presumably still kind of maybe finding

Andy Pitcher:

Hmm.

dan_pechacek:

new things in it. Like, what was the mark two like, did you find that inspirational as well? Or was it like, like hat on a hat? Or I don't know. I just, I'm curious. what your Mark II experience

Andy Pitcher:

dan_pechacek:

has been so far.

Andy Pitcher:

I was so game, I honestly bought two up front because I always used two

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

together. So I could sample stuff,

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

modulate it, play something rhythmic, and kind of do like the one on tricks point and everything from like replica where it's just like these stuttering samples and rhythm. And I'll sample that into the second one. And then I clear

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

the first one and add my new sounds. And so I just, I just jumped in, I got the two, the two. And I spent the first while just futzing around with all the new modes. And everyone I was like, that's fun, you know, I'll do something

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

with that. And now that has

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

presets,

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

it has that thing, like, I don't know if you use me as this, but if something is presets, and I find a cool sound, I'm like, well, I'm not going to use that every day, but I should save it. And so I have like preset 60 to 80 on everything I have that has six

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

It's just like full of weird random things. And then I never find them again because when I'm scrolling, I have nothing

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

for an Eon in there. But yeah, so that's been kind of my experience with it. They're just like, oh, that's a cool thing. Let me save that. Whereas like on the OG, I have a handful and I've painted them different colors. So I know which one has which presets. And so if I'm playing an improv

dan_pechacek:

Mmm,

Andy Pitcher:

gig

dan_pechacek:

yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

and I grab one, I know what kind of thing I'm bringing. Like I have one. black and I replace all the lights with orange. So it's kind of like Halloweeny. And my preset three on there is the stereo delay, both of them set really tight with the high feedback. So they do the carpulist strong synthesis thing, but they modulate out of phase with one another. And so when you play them stereo in a room, it's like two shepherds poles happening opposite direction.

andy:

That's so cool.

Andy Pitcher:

And it's just like,

dan_pechacek:

Whoa.

Andy Pitcher:

it's such a great way to start or end a set if you're like in a noisy spot that isn't really good for because I

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

tend to get like, I tend to for non-noi shows, you know, or like non-improved shows. So it's just like, people don't really know

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

how to, you know, they're just like in a bar. So I just have to like grab their attention. So that thing is just like, pssshhhhhh, it's like, yeah,

dan_pechacek:

Bye. Bye.

Andy Pitcher:

you know.

andy:

Mm-hmm.

Andy Pitcher:

And so that's stuff, there's something so fun and tactile about this. Now that the Mark II has kind of lifted the veil and it's like, they're alternate knobs now, you gotta hold this down and turn this and it does this. It has made it a little less friendly and a little less like immediate and feeling like an analog

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

device, which they mastered on the first one. And I think there's a lot of credit owed to George Griff's for that, but like, the new one doesn't feel like an analog device anymore. It feels like a delayed computer. But the expanded looping time has been so great. You do a lot more like thoughtful long-term things and get all those really familiar controls out of it. And yeah, the one thing Mark two that was like a downside is I like doing this thing where I will double tap quick to basically make a delay that I can change the delay in real time so I can like make it a reverse delay really quick. I can make it a half time delay. I can make it a double time delay. And this one has a bug, which I think they've patched out already, but I am like on the fence about updating where it will randomly bit crush and like explode basically the

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

sample rate goes crazy.

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha

Andy Pitcher:

and all

dan_pechacek:

ha.

Andy Pitcher:

of a sudden your loop will get all crunchy.

andy:

Will you do me a kindness? I didn't mean to click that, but... But

Andy Pitcher:

I sent...

andy:

I did.

Andy Pitcher:

I...

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

I sent...

andy:

Will you do me a kindness and patch the deal for Mark II, please?

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

I have an odd hog voicemail that I did some looping on and it happens in that voicemail. So I, if you hear that, there is like a random moment where all of a sudden it's all crunchy and distorted. That was just the the pedal decided. And it has ruined some really gentle things and it has made some really boring things exciting. So

andy:

Man.

Andy Pitcher:

I'm on the fence about patching it out. But yeah.

dan_pechacek:

It's interesting that it's an unpredictable thing. Like in a device that has, you've been like, you can do random stuff, but only if you're not like, asking it to do very specific things. Whereas it sounds like that thing is truly random if you've discovered a thing. That's it. I'm gonna go back to the video. I'm gonna go back to the video. I'm gonna go back to the

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

video. I'm gonna go back to the video. I'm gonna go back to the video. I'm gonna go back to the video. I'm

andy:

When

dan_pechacek:

gonna

andy:

it's

dan_pechacek:

go back

andy:

funny

dan_pechacek:

to the video.

andy:

that

dan_pechacek:

I'm

andy:

it's

dan_pechacek:

gonna go

andy:

making

dan_pechacek:

back to the

andy:

you

dan_pechacek:

video. I'm gonna

andy:

hesitate

dan_pechacek:

go back to the video. I'm

andy:

dan_pechacek:

gonna

andy:

update

dan_pechacek:

go back to the video.

andy:

rather than update immediately.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

Like, ooh,

dan_pechacek:

Ja.

andy:

maybe I like this. I don't think I would be.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

I'd be like, God, let me fix this.

dan_pechacek:

I think. I think it's interesting, I just wanted to go back to, you talked about the DL4 Mark I feeling like an

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you.

dan_pechacek:

analog

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you.

dan_pechacek:

device, whereas the Mark II feels more

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

like a delay computer. And I'm trying to think, I was thinking earlier today about if the DL4 was sort of the first large format multi-delay, I'm not, because I feel like recently, like last year in particular, we saw a lot of large format multi-delays with the Mark II and the

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Maris LVX like the space echo, the larger one, and I feel like I'm forgetting some. Like obviously, Strymon had the timeline like a decade ago. There's been a lot of different delay devices. But I'm wondering if like part of what made the deal for so long lasting is that it was somewhat early to it. It had a super interesting looper. And when you wanted to just use the delays, it was, you know, a five knob

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

set up. It was, uh, each knob did what it

andy:

I was

dan_pechacek:

said.

andy:

about to

dan_pechacek:

Obviously

andy:

say,

dan_pechacek:

tweak

andy:

don't

dan_pechacek:

and

andy:

forget,

Andy Pitcher:

Hehehe.

dan_pechacek:

tweeze

andy:

tweak

dan_pechacek:

you had to figure

andy:

and

dan_pechacek:

out what

andy:

tweeze.

dan_pechacek:

they were But at least you knew that like there wasn't like an alt

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

under tweak, you

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

know

Andy Pitcher:

and they had stickers, you know,

andy:

That's true.

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Yep,

Andy Pitcher:

you

dan_pechacek:

that's

Andy Pitcher:

wanted to

dan_pechacek:

right.

Andy Pitcher:

add a

dan_pechacek:

Yeah, little

Andy Pitcher:

library

dan_pechacek:

cheat sheets

Andy Pitcher:

to the face

dan_pechacek:

and things

Andy Pitcher:

of your

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

pedal.

dan_pechacek:

that.

andy:

Yo.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, I think coming from like the rack unit era where you really had multi-delays that were used even deeper than this current, you know, flock of pedal stuff, like the work David Torn did with the PCM 42 and stuff is the deal forking barely scratch.

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

But I think to put an engine even close to that in something as accessible as something you can use for like C batteries with and throw it in your backpack,

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

that really

dan_pechacek:

yet.

Andy Pitcher:

changes it. It feels like it makes it accessible in a way. And you hear stories about like Omar Rodriguez Lopez at the drive-in at the time and later Mars Volta. He talks about his first DL4, him and his buddy went haves on and they would trade every They would lend they

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

would

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

pass it back and forth because neither of them could afford

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

it And that was like an integral until eventually he paid off his buddy because like at the driving was picking up and he used it a lot You know a device like that a culture building up around a device like that. I don't think could happen in a rack unit It's just

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

it's just different. I think something about the deal for yeah, that's a really good note Because everything else after it did feel like it was trying to go bigger and now it has a screen and now it does this and it sounds even cleaner But that's like, you know, I also have it like a small collection of physical tape delays. And, you know, the reason I reach for that stuff is similar to the DL4 at times where it's just like, it is, it feels physical. It feels like a, you know,

andy:

When it seems

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

one-to-one device.

andy:

maybe what we're talking about at a deeper level is just like, a lot of products or things that are at our fingertips right now are almost limitless.

Andy Pitcher:

Mm.

andy:

Like, I mean, I, little flex right here, I got the mood mark too here. And like what, the amount of stuff

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha

andy:

that

dan_pechacek:

ha.

andy:

you can like, no shade on it obviously, but it's, it's, being able to look back at something and be like, there's only a certain amount do here. There's only a certain amount of knobs I can move. And so it being simple, but at the same time being the thing you were talking about at the beginning, we're like, we can still, I can still get, be surprised by it, get something weird out of it. So like, things that do have very specific limitations, at least for me tend to be like, Oh, over time, that's still something that draws me in, like something that's like, Hey, you can do anything. Or like, we're talking about delay sounds but I haven't gotten along with the interface yet because in order to get some

Andy Pitcher:

Hmm.

andy:

of those sounds you have to click and turn knobs and get around and like that's a thing. But for the most part I've always gravitated towards stuff where the knob or thing is there and you move it and that's it.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

And where it's at is where it's at.

dan_pechacek:

I feel like...

andy:

It's not like some value behind the scenes is different or what you know. I don't know. Just the limitations thing is what's kind

dan_pechacek:

Thanks for watching.

andy:

of getting

dan_pechacek:

I'll see you guys next time. Bye.

andy:

me there.

dan_pechacek:

I found that with the LVX, I like, I'll sit down and I'll be like, all right, it's LVX

andy:

Mm-hmm

dan_pechacek:

discovery time. And then I might come back with like a preset or two, but it's, I have a sense of like, okay, I've found some deeper things and I dove deep on the menus and everything. But then what I do is I like make it a preset and then I don't allow myself like discovery time,

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

like there will be then be a different time where it's like, all right, I can just hit the existing presets. And it's basically like I'm creating limitations

Andy Pitcher:

Hmm

andy:

Yes.

dan_pechacek:

for myself.

andy:

That's good.

dan_pechacek:

And because I think that's absolutely a thing of like you, I think one of the things we're really interested in with this podcast is getting to know people's like

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

workflows, just like what helps you be creative. And if it is limitless possibility, you know, if you're in a room full of all the gear in the world and you don't know how any of it works, you're not going to be able to make a song that day. But if you're, if you just start like, all right, I can grab a couple of these things and figure them out, then you might be able to get somewhere creatively. And that, that's kind of what, yeah, what, what limitation is able to do is help enable creativity and workflow and help to get you like in that flow state and like out of your head, not thinking about, oh, I know that if I menu dive, I might be able to round off the treble in

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

feedback loop. But just to say like, however rounded off it is, it sounds,

Andy Pitcher:

Thank

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

you.

dan_pechacek:

sounds

Andy Pitcher:

Bye.

dan_pechacek:

good right now. And I don't want to think about whether

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

it needs to change. I'm just going to write

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

around that. So yeah, it can be tough when something gives you a little bit of a little bit of a little you all the options in the world because I've found that the only way I can interact with those things is by like allowing myself a deep dive, but then like stopping myself at many other junctures and just going like, does it sound good right now? Okay, then just

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

let it sound good right now.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, I mean, especially like for myself as somebody largely is only improvising. That's, I think that's part of the thing I couldn't put into words about the deal for it's like, it's, it's that it's exactly that, you know, like, you don't have to think about it, you just, just act on it, you know, and it can,

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

you can develop muscle memory with it. And you can hear a sound in your head. And the same way I could like hear a chord in my head and I could find those notes, the deal for is like, We'll do that for you too once you know it as an instrument.

andy:

That idea is fun too, because like I... I feel like over the years I've heard people complain about pedals being confusing or annoying or something and maybe this is something I've gotten good at over the years but I like to get to the point where a pedal is muscle memory.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

There are certain pedals where I know exactly where that shift knob is going to take off in residence mode. I

Andy Pitcher:

Hmm.

andy:

just know it now.

dan_pechacek:

Thank you.

andy:

a thing because that's, I don't know, at least for me that's unique. There's only a handful of pedals where I'm like, no, I know that one, like I know my guitar, you know. Um, but

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

andy:

I don't know, that's just a thing.

dan_pechacek:

You're, it's like you're establishing like trust and communication with a, with

Andy Pitcher:

Hmm. Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

a thing,

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

which is weird. Like not, not to, not to personify it too much, but you know, here we are at like object

Andy Pitcher:

dan_pechacek:

worship.

Andy Pitcher:

ha ha.

dan_pechacek:

If that's

andy:

Yeah, yeah.

dan_pechacek:

the thing it's like, it's a thing you can have like a, a sort of deeply personal relationship with. And yeah, if it's a, if it's a thing, you feel like you know well enough and that it will give back what you ask of it, like that you can trust it to like, all right, if I do this, then I know this thing will happen every time. Which I think is then to twist that into a knock on the DL4. They're also notoriously like, I

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

don't know, fragile is the right word,

Andy Pitcher:

the

dan_pechacek:

but

Andy Pitcher:

other,

dan_pechacek:

they just,

Andy Pitcher:

yeah,

andy:

Yep.

dan_pechacek:

they break.

Andy Pitcher:

yeah.

dan_pechacek:

andy:

I remember

dan_pechacek:

I think that is,

andy:

a decade ago

dan_pechacek:

there's,

andy:

and

dan_pechacek:

um.

andy:

there were just all the people making mods and fixing the volume drops and whatever. Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Yep,

andy:

There's a whole...

dan_pechacek:

replacing

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

the foot switches

Andy Pitcher:

dan_pechacek:

and

Andy Pitcher:

think that's another

dan_pechacek:

yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

thing that has kept it so fresh for me is I got into a lot of that stuff

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

because I would buy like 20, so I think

andy:

Because people would offload broken ones, right? And you could

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

andy:

get them

Andy Pitcher:

yeah.

andy:

for cheap and then you fix

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

them. Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah. So

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

I think I have seven total. And a lot of those are like ones that are that I couldn't figure out that are just like in storage, but I would get them for like 20 bucks, you know.

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

And if I could bring it back to life, I would, you know, I'd get it to work just as the circuit board and then I would kind of decorate it. So I did a planet of ice minus the bear one for my friend, Jamie Lacey from band Costa and pool hop now. and it's all white and it's got these bright white lights and I added bezels

andy:

That's cool.

Andy Pitcher:

to the LEDs and you know it's just kind of like very very pretty and then I did like the Halloween one I was talking about and getting to dig in there I actually found some mods that I came up with and I've since given to friends and like you know my friend Senem and Joe Souther's have like done this to their deal for us but I have this one sound it's very like a Mary Halverson thing she does it with her expression pedal where she will have the delay time really tight and then slowly make it longer So she'll be playing a line and it sounds like a chorus and all of a sudden her chorus

andy:

Hmm

Andy Pitcher:

like pulls away from her

andy:

That sounds like

Andy Pitcher:

and

andy:

the

Andy Pitcher:

then

andy:

slow

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

version of what Reggie Watts does with his voice sometimes. When

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

he's like doing, he's twisting it really fast and it's giving like a chorus on his voice while he's

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

andy:

doing that. So cool.

Andy Pitcher:

yeah. I figured out if I used a normally closed foot switch and connected it from the ground lug and the minimum lug on the time knob, I could hit it and the knob would think I turned it to zero. And then when I let go, it would just be a warrant back up to its actual setting. And

andy:

That's cool.

Andy Pitcher:

with the DL4 looper,

dan_pechacek:

That's very

Andy Pitcher:

there

dan_pechacek:

cool,

Andy Pitcher:

is a delay

dan_pechacek:

yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

on, if you turn it, that's

andy:

Yep.

Andy Pitcher:

why a lot of people will like, you know, turn every knob except mix all the way down. It will still work. So I could loop those...

andy:

Tweak and tweeze

Andy Pitcher:

..bure...bure...bure...

andy:

baby, those are a freaking delay in there.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah. It's really like...

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

It's so fun. There's one mod I've never...

andy:

How,

Andy Pitcher:

Oh, yeah, yeah. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. ..

andy:

I was just thinking about this stuff we're talking about is basically the pedal being like, I'm wondering if it's accidentally or not accidentally a good design. You know what I'm saying? Like did they intend it to be this good or were they like, oh shit, we accidentally, you know, how intentional was it? Because I don't know.

Andy Pitcher:

I think the work that went into it was the delay stuff. that makes sense. I think

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

they were aiming to make the best delay pedal.

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

And we have mentioned one delay

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

by name so

andy:

That's

Andy Pitcher:

far.

andy:

true. Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

I don't know if they knew what they were doing.

dan_pechacek:

I feel like I read somewhere that, yeah, the Looper was meant to be like a, just like a fun added feature,

andy:

now.

dan_pechacek:

you know? Oh, you can do some loops in addition to all these like delays that we spent all the time in the world on. But yeah, I was also reading the thing, you had mentioned George Trips's like

Andy Pitcher:

Hmm.

dan_pechacek:

contribution to

andy:

And

dan_pechacek:

the

andy:

that's

dan_pechacek:

DL4

andy:

the way

dan_pechacek:

and

andy:

huge

dan_pechacek:

from,

andy:

guy,

dan_pechacek:

I feel like,

andy:

right?

Andy Pitcher:

Yep, correct.

andy:

Yeah, okay.

dan_pechacek:

yes, yeah. And he was, if I'm remembering correctly, I feel like I read that he was brought on while they were working So DL4 exists alongside MM4 and DM4. There's a whole

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

four foot switch

Andy Pitcher:

FM4.

dan_pechacek:

series of pedals. And yes, FMP4. And that George Trips was like brought in when those projects had been started and he was essentially like a product. He helped to guide them.

andy:

He's like Rick Rubin, but for the pedals.

dan_pechacek:

And,

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha ha!

dan_pechacek:

well, one of the things that I read was that it was originally conceived as a four preset system. And George Tripp said like, well, we should add a tap tempo.

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

We should use that fourth foot switch as the tap tempo.

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you. Thank you.

andy:

I bet there were some

dan_pechacek:

And I'm curious, like.

andy:

long meetings about that. We're like, no, I think

dan_pechacek:

Like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like, I'm curious, like,

andy:

the players would really like, I don't know, they would like that extra preset.

Andy Pitcher:

Thank

andy:

But, uh.

Andy Pitcher:

you. Bye.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah. Yeah. You wonder how, how many different forms it took until it eventually came out. Yeah. So I also found the, uh, the sound on sound review, like from 2001

andy:

Oh.

Andy Pitcher:

Oh, wow.

dan_pechacek:

of like the new line six DL four. And, uh, they love the looper. It was like, it was

andy:

Huh.

dan_pechacek:

interesting that they talk a lot about the delays, but then there's a moment where they say like, you know, essentially like the thing that really shines here is this, uh, looper setting. Uh, and then I

andy:

Wow.

dan_pechacek:

can't remember the details of it now. It kind of was skim. the review but basically what I wanted to know is okay let me find a review from when it first came out and find out whether the looper took off over time or whether people could already tell that it was a thing and it looks like at least in some instances people were already saying like oh this looper that's

andy:

Well,

dan_pechacek:

that's

andy:

and

dan_pechacek:

the thing

andy:

speaking, I mean, we've been talking about the looper the whole time, but we've, we've been mentioning like all these different ways to use it. And we still haven't mentioned, I'm curious if you've used it this way, Andy, but like one of my main uses of it was, uh, to record that whole blank loop, a really long blank loop before

Andy Pitcher:

Hmm.

andy:

doing anything. And what that, like the reason I would do that is because for somehow the deal for has seamless looping when you're, when you're, um, overdubbing. So you can just constantly overdub and you will never hear that click when the loop goes back around somehow

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

So what I would do is just hit record like leave my room for a minute come back and then Record and play at the same time And then you have this seamless like you just that's where I kind of started getting into more asynchronous and stuff that's out of You off a grid, you know because you can't

Andy Pitcher:

Hmm.

andy:

I mean you were mentioning earlier ways to make very specific rhythmic things happen with it. Whereas my thing with a deal for was it opened up my ability to not have to use rhythm. Like, oh, I can just

Andy Pitcher:

Sure.

andy:

have a space where the beginning and end of it doesn't actually even exist in an audio

Andy Pitcher:

Thank

andy:

sense

Andy Pitcher:

you.

andy:

because you

Andy Pitcher:

Bye.

andy:

can't tell when that happens, you know,

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha.

andy:

you can play

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

right over the end of that thing and it'll, you won't know what happened. Like that, so that was a huge thing for me. But I'll say that alongside with and the mark

Andy Pitcher:

Bye.

andy:

two, which is you can go stereo

dan_pechacek:

andy:

in and

dan_pechacek:

ha.

andy:

out of the damn thing. You can record a loop, but that loop will always be some mono. And when it comes out of the pedal, it will be dual mono, which

Andy Pitcher:

Really?

andy:

like I get it. I get probably the storage of it, whatever, but you can have a stereo signal input. And it'll come out mono, even if you're full stereo. So not a,

Andy Pitcher:

very

andy:

not a big

Andy Pitcher:

interesting.

andy:

deal.

dan_pechacek:

Interesting.

andy:

I'm sure there's some limitation that makes that, uh, that way or something. The El Capistan does that too. The Volante does that.

Andy Pitcher:

Yes.

andy:

I don't know why.

dan_pechacek:

I think it's, it probably does come down

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

to memory. Um, just cause like if you're storing a one second delay, that takes like, you know, however many thousands of samples

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

that you have to store. And then if you want that to be in true stereo,

andy:

Yep.

dan_pechacek:

you just have to double it. Like just every, everything gets doubled. Whereas if you sum it to mono and then split

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

stereo, you can do some interesting things with it, but it is, it's funny. It just, it just says a peek behind the scenes in our chat here. Our producer, producer Seth McCarroll was like, isn't, isn't this deal for also stereo? And I was like, ooh, I'll bring this up after Andy's done talking because like

andy:

Technic you can

dan_pechacek:

it is stereo

andy:

you can

dan_pechacek:

and that

andy:

put

dan_pechacek:

andy:

dan_pechacek:

cool

andy:

a stereo

dan_pechacek:

But

andy:

signal

dan_pechacek:

I've never used

andy:

and a

dan_pechacek:

andy:

stereo

dan_pechacek:

that way

andy:

signal does come out of it,

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha ha!

andy:

but

dan_pechacek:

But it's

andy:

It won't

dan_pechacek:

just

andy:

retain

dan_pechacek:

dual.

andy:

the stereo image

dan_pechacek:

andy:

of what gets

dan_pechacek:

yeah, it

andy:

put

dan_pechacek:

sums

andy:

dan_pechacek:

down to mono.

andy:

to it.

Andy Pitcher:

And the mark

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

too is like

dan_pechacek:

unfortunate.

Andy Pitcher:

that.

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

Is that true? That's crazy.

andy:

Yeah, that's what I and when Volante came out, I was like, oh man, I'd be really and I love VL cap stand for the same reason. The looper is really cool. It's like, but the Volante, oh, bigger, better, but the looper has the same, same

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

limit. I was like, I'd be interested if I could get a stereo degrading loop like that.

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

But

Andy Pitcher:

ha.

andy:

no, I don't know. And it's not, it's not that it's such a nerdy thing to complain about, but an interesting little

Andy Pitcher:

No, it's

andy:

side

Andy Pitcher:

valid.

andy:

note.

dan_pechacek:

It is, it is, yeah, I think it's something that's worthy of note because like often when people are working on like a stereo signal, they want to know at what point it's going to get summoned back to mono and a lot of devices do have stereo in stereo out. So it's a very

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

easy assumption to say that it must maintain

Andy Pitcher:

Hmm.

dan_pechacek:

the stereo spread. But I think a lot of times on the dry side, it would,

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

you know, so like you might, maybe your wet

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

effect kind of like combines and then splits back out. But as long as you have some dry

andy:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

through,

andy:

and that

dan_pechacek:

you can

andy:

is true.

dan_pechacek:

maintain

andy:

It's

dan_pechacek:

andy:

only the

dan_pechacek:

stereo.

andy:

looper where it would. Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah, but yeah, in the sense of a looper, it's like, I think if I have a stereo

andy:

But.

dan_pechacek:

looper, then I put that at the end of my stereo

Andy Pitcher:

Thank

dan_pechacek:

chain

Andy Pitcher:

you.

dan_pechacek:

and

Andy Pitcher:

Bye.

dan_pechacek:

I loop the entire stereo

andy:

But then,

dan_pechacek:

thing.

andy:

I mean,

dan_pechacek:

andy:

and

dan_pechacek:

I would

andy:

then

dan_pechacek:

never

andy:

to maybe

dan_pechacek:

have guessed.

andy:

get

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

andy:

a little more philosophical about it, that could be one of those limitations that ultimately brought me to where I'm at, where like, I'm very, I'm not like a, like, oh, let's go stereo all the time guy. Like I was joked about like, oh, let's make mood stereo. And now it is, but like, I didn't really want it.

Andy Pitcher:

Thank

andy:

I wasn't

Andy Pitcher:

you.

andy:

actually one of those people

dan_pechacek:

andy:

who was like, no, I need this to be stereo, bro.

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you. Bye.

andy:

I like, I'm very pro mono unless, because your stereo is only as good as your mono is. you know, whatever.

Andy Pitcher:

times two.

andy:

So I was like, I think a lot of times when I was looping, like I used to have a lot more stereo effects than I do now, but it's like, you can have this whole stereo chain and then a loop in the middle of it that gets some to mono. Like sometimes that's actually perfect where like something that was this wide and you got this wide shit going on around it, like, well, the looper's just like, no, it's in the center now. This is

Andy Pitcher:

Thank

andy:

all you got.

Andy Pitcher:

you. Bye.

andy:

And like that, that's actually

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha.

andy:

good a lot of times. think because I mean once you start stacking stereo effects like it can get bad really quickly you know

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

in my opinion so I could see that as something maybe that helped helped me a limitation that was like oh no it's you need to remember to keep keep your mono signal good still you know don't just go nuts in the stereo field

Andy Pitcher:

When I just had that PV basic 40 base amp, I would use the Digitech Whammy 4 as a splitter and I would use the DL4 as a summing device. And so

andy:

Bye!

Andy Pitcher:

I would use the dry out into a DS1, that DS1 I mentioned, once I had got

andy:

Mm-hmm.

Andy Pitcher:

another distortion pedals that I preferred, such as the TAN Electro Coolcat Metal 1. I would

andy:

Mm-hmm

Andy Pitcher:

use the TAN

dan_pechacek:

Amazing.

Andy Pitcher:

Electro Coolcat Metal

andy:

What

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

was that one a clone of? That

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

one?

Andy Pitcher:

don't know. I actually have no idea.

andy:

Those were, that whole series were clones of different things. I just don't remember which were

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

andy:

which. I know.

Andy Pitcher:

one of the first clone clones.

andy:

Hmm.

Andy Pitcher:

And yeah, and so I would use that DS1 with the volume all the way down and use it as a mute. And so I would like mute out of

andy:

That's funny.

Andy Pitcher:

the dry and then turn it on and I would have like a chorus and a fuzz over there. So I'd have one side distorted, one time, one side fuzzed. And then that, yeah, I would sum back in the. So I would have one side distorted, one side fuzzed. And then I would have one side distorted, one side fuzzed. And then I would have one side distorted, one side fuzzed.

andy:

That's such a funny, you know how sometimes guys will have like fake, not fake pedal boards, but just like setups that have like fake stuff so that people don't know actually

Andy Pitcher:

Oh,

andy:

what they're

Andy Pitcher:

sure.

andy:

running. That

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

sounds like totally what you did. Like, no,

dan_pechacek:

Thank

andy:

this

dan_pechacek:

you. Bye.

andy:

guy's running a DS1 first. I'm sure of it. I saw him turning on and off when in reality you're just using as a mute.

dan_pechacek:

Ha!

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, that's just like what

andy:

I'm pretty

Andy Pitcher:

I had.

andy:

sure, I'm pretty sure the bass player from Rage would do that. He would just put other pedals on his board that he didn't actually use so that people would take pictures and be like, oh man, you just

Andy Pitcher:

That

andy:

try

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

obscure

Andy Pitcher:

funny.

andy:

it. Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

Tim, Tim Comerford.

andy:

him, Comerford.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, so I like that open palette. Can I come back to the ace rink and that's looping thing. I really

andy:

Mm-hmm

Andy Pitcher:

love doing that and the way that I have fallen in favor to it is I'll set up a big loop, maybe just like rock the 12 seconds, and then I'll play a chord and I'll like double tap the ace switch so that I'm inserting like a blip. And then you get this kind of like Zanac granular thing of all these little moments that pop in and out

andy:

Yep.

Andy Pitcher:

of that big space and then you can modulate that space and everything. Yeah it's just another one of those things. You can totally know and love the pedal and then you find this totally new way to use it and you can do my old tricks even apply, like where

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

do I go from here with this new way to create with this familiar device. I'm still waiting. I know there's something else. I don't know how many hours I've played this thing, but I know there's something else I haven't figured out yet, and I'm always really excited to To seek it out, you know

andy:

these days

dan_pechacek:

It's

andy:

would

dan_pechacek:

an exciting

andy:

you grab

dan_pechacek:

place to be.

andy:

the mark two or the mark one off the shelf most of the time right now?

Andy Pitcher:

Um, I have been in a mark two learning period. So I haven't

andy:

Okay.

Andy Pitcher:

plugged in a mark one since I got it. Um, you know, and I got it like month or two after it came out. And so.

andy:

Is there just a straight up firmware update you can do on it? Can you just plug

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

in USB and okay,

Andy Pitcher:

Oh yeah.

andy:

it's that easy? Nice,

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

andy:

okay.

Andy Pitcher:

real simple. I just I just haven't done it. Um, I think also so I'm so many doesn't use a pedal board. Um, generally I have like a library of pedals and I'll put them together for each gig. So I know if I have like an improv thing and I'm playing with a saxophonist and someone else I know what kind of sounds I'm going for. Maybe I'll want like

andy:

I'm

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

picturing

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

you walking into this massive room that's like mahogany, like a library.

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha ha ha!

andy:

And it's just the pedals and you're just like, you got a robe

dan_pechacek:

Thank you.

andy:

on.

dan_pechacek:

Bye.

andy:

You

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

just

Andy Pitcher:

ha ha.

andy:

look in there, you take your time. Which shall it be

dan_pechacek:

the

andy:

for

dan_pechacek:

big

andy:

today?

dan_pechacek:

sliding ladder.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

For today's gig?

Andy Pitcher:

It's, it's, it's a...

andy:

Let me get the deal. Let me go over to the deal for wall. Should we

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

have the spooky deal for? Or the clean one?

Andy Pitcher:

It's actually three Home Depot branded media moving boxes. Because

andy:

Okay, that's almost as good.

Andy Pitcher:

I keep everything

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Bye.

Andy Pitcher:

in its box. And I just know which pedals are in what box in what box. It's kind of deranged, but

andy:

Okay.

Andy Pitcher:

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

andy:

No, that's... nah.

dan_pechacek:

I remember that organizational system with like my CDs

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

Mm.

dan_pechacek:

in high school. It was like, yeah, like this stack is like sort of favorites that I've listened to like recently. And then this other stack is kind of like that stuff that I was into a couple months ago, but I know that there was that other CD that I recently bumped from this stack to that. And it's like you innately

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

know it all, even though there's like not an actual linkage to it, but you just have this, uh, this weird

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

storage system.

Andy Pitcher:

I looked over and saw this one peeking on top. So I have sunlight as one of my favorite petals, and I think I have serial three, I think. So it

andy:

Ah!

Andy Pitcher:

didn't have a box yet. And so

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

I have doodled on it so that at any angle in the pile,

dan_pechacek:

Amazing

Andy Pitcher:

for the viewer at home, I'm just showing my Obi-Ani Sunlight doodles.

andy:

Oh.

Andy Pitcher:

But that way,

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Bye.

Andy Pitcher:

yeah, I can

andy:

Dang,

Andy Pitcher:

be digging

andy:

I've got

Andy Pitcher:

through.

andy:

23. That's sick.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

andy:

You're

Andy Pitcher:

I think

andy:

just cooler

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

than mine.

Andy Pitcher:

dweller seven, no, don't do that.

andy:

I've got excess number one, so.

Andy Pitcher:

Damn.

andy:

And Brady sent

dan_pechacek:

I'm going to go back to the

andy:

dan_pechacek:

video and I'm going to go back to the video and I'm going to go back to the video and I'm going to go back to the video and I'm going to go back to the video and I'm going to go back to the video and I'm going to go back to the video and I'm going to go back to the video and I'm going to go back to the video and I'm going to go back to the video and I'm going to go back to the video and I'm going to go back to the video and I'm

andy:

float number A.

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

wrote

Andy Pitcher:

ha!

andy:

on the box, he says, here's float number A for

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

Andy. I was like, thank you.

dan_pechacek:

Oh yeah, cause yours, does yours have AO, like a label maker

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

that says AO on it? Cause I feel like there's AO, AP, and then there were like maybe just a couple others, but you two were two

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

of the very early like, uh, like obviously Andy Othling was like deeply involved in the creation of float. Like the idea started with him, but then Andy Pitcher was deeply involved in like further refining of it. Um, so we have, we have both Andes that were formative

andy:

I mean our faces

dan_pechacek:

for the,

andy:

are

dan_pechacek:

the

andy:

dan_pechacek:

float

andy:

the pedal,

dan_pechacek:

on today.

andy:

you

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

andy:

know,

Andy Pitcher:

where's

andy:

that's us on it.

Andy Pitcher:

it? Is it to have?

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha ha ha ha

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

You're on the right, right? You're the slope.

andy:

Yes.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

Or no, wait, I think the left one is the slow

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

one

Andy Pitcher:

this one?

andy:

by default, right? Left filter.

dan_pechacek:

the attack on

andy:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

the

andy:

dan_pechacek:

envelope.

andy:

that's

Andy Pitcher:

Okay,

dan_pechacek:

Yes,

andy:

me. So you're

dan_pechacek:

left side

andy:

on the

dan_pechacek:

andy:

right,

Andy Pitcher:

I'm

dan_pechacek:

the

Andy Pitcher:

on the

dan_pechacek:

slower.

Andy Pitcher:

right,

andy:

Andy

Andy Pitcher:

you're on

andy:

Pitcher.

Andy Pitcher:

the

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

left.

andy:

I'm on the left, yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

That's Canon.

dan_pechacek:

andy:

That is

dan_pechacek:

andy:

Canon.

dan_pechacek:

ha.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, I have some funny, I have like the OG Blender. I just don't know what to do with it. Then when it was like a single size.

dan_pechacek:

Oh yeah, the

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

smaller size, yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

yeah. I actually, you know, the DL4 has informed me a lot in the work I've been lucky to do with not only the companies mentioned earlier, but like old blood, I probably primarily is like a company I've worked with. with a lot on, you know, just like feedback on development. And also the, the Google loop, I wrote the manual for that. And it's basically the Oberheim branded Gibson Echoplex, like looping

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

rack unit in a pedal. And game 47 is the preset I made. And it is two, it is my 2DL4 trick in one pedal, basically. And so you

andy:

That's

Andy Pitcher:

can

andy:

cool.

Andy Pitcher:

sample the loop into a new loop on it, and then you can re-trigger. And then there's a multiply function where you will start looping and whatever you plan on top of it will be added to the loop. But rather than say you're going... you know, A goes to B and every time you play, it resets. And so now you're making a big pile on multiply, your A goes to B and then B goes to C and it just plays that over and over and your loop is a new continuous loop over it. So now you're making a big pile on multiply, your A goes to B and then B goes to C, and it just plays that over and over. And your loop is a new continuous loop over it. So now you're making a big pile on multiply, your A goes

andy:

Mmm.

Andy Pitcher:

to B and then B goes to C and it just plays that over and over.

andy:

Ah, that's cool.

Andy Pitcher:

right, which

dan_pechacek:

Mm.

Andy Pitcher:

is which is what I did on the DL4 because I can play into the second one, my first one in a rhythmic pattern with playing something else over it. And now I have like an eight bar loop

andy:

And

Andy Pitcher:

where it

andy:

it's

Andy Pitcher:

started.

andy:

so interesting talking about

dan_pechacek:

Very

andy:

loopers

dan_pechacek:

cool.

andy:

at this level because it sounds really stupid kind of where we're like,

Andy Pitcher:

Heh

andy:

well,

Andy Pitcher:

heh

andy:

you could

Andy Pitcher:

heh.

andy:

just do that in a doll, like

dan_pechacek:

andy:

record

dan_pechacek:

ha.

andy:

the idea and then just

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

ha.

andy:

like, but it seems like the reason we all like this is because that happens physically or like as a result of us using our hands and

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

so, you know,

dan_pechacek:

Again, it's like

andy:

yeah,

dan_pechacek:

the limitations

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

because

dan_pechacek:

help

andy:

in another

dan_pechacek:

guide

andy:

context,

dan_pechacek:

you, you know.

andy:

this is like so stupid, what we're talking about.

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha ha!

andy:

Like, oh, you could do

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

andy:

a slice of audio right there. Like, yeah,

dan_pechacek:

andy:

okay.

dan_pechacek:

andy:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

andy:

that's easy But

dan_pechacek:

andy:

doing

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

it real time and like feeding back with it and you know having it be the instrument that you have muscle memory with like That's what's cool

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, I always think about

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

like the musicians I'm most inspired by would never want to work with me because I'm... because

andy:

Why do

Andy Pitcher:

I'm...

andy:

you always think

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha!

andy:

about that?

Andy Pitcher:

because...

andy:

Why would you always

dan_pechacek:

Every

andy:

think

dan_pechacek:

day

andy:

about

dan_pechacek:

I wake

andy:

that?

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

Because

dan_pechacek:

and I think...

Andy Pitcher:

you know, because you think about like, what would the dream gig be? And like, you know, when I was in high school, I'd like, I would love to play for Stevie Wonder. That'd be like the greatest thing ever. Or Steely Dan. And, uh, as I've gotten more and more, I don't know, cryptic, uh, I'm just like,

andy:

esoteric.

Andy Pitcher:

like there, there, yes, yeah. They're like, there's

andy:

Hmm

Andy Pitcher:

this wonderful Sophie interview where Sophie's like, why would I want a physical instrument involved in my music? I can make anything with wavetables and then I can make it even cooler. I'm like, yeah. That's. You know so like Sophie

andy:

That is, yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

when I try to explain every you know Just like I'm trying to do

dan_pechacek:

Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

those

dan_pechacek:

Bye.

Andy Pitcher:

sounds in real time and it's like why I could I can make an even deeper sound On a computer.

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

I'm like yeah. Yeah, I guess

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

that's fair.

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

I'm just

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

like addicted to playing guitar

dan_pechacek:

Yeah, I think there's a thing that I'll think about from time to time where it's like, I guess it's the classic like, it's not about the destination, it's about the journey, but almost more viewing the like, textural and tonal like experimentation as the destination. So less about like what the final sound you create with

andy:

Dude, I

dan_pechacek:

andy:

can't

dan_pechacek:

and more

andy:

tell

dan_pechacek:

about.

andy:

you how many times

dan_pechacek:

Like I've noticed

andy:

people

dan_pechacek:

that,

andy:

have told me over the years, why don't you just play keyboards, bro?

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha

andy:

Like,

Andy Pitcher:

ha!

andy:

based on the sounds, I'm like,

dan_pechacek:

Yeah,

andy:

because I

dan_pechacek:

exactly.

andy:

don't play keyboard. Like, what? How is that not

dan_pechacek:

And

andy:

the

dan_pechacek:

it's

andy:

okay answer?

dan_pechacek:

the experience of the manipulation

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

of those sounds and less about like, it's like, yeah, okay, it sounds like you just made a synth pad. But like, does it sound good? Great. Do you feel, you as the artist feel more enriched by having arrived there throughout your process? Yes, then it's great.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

That's all you

Andy Pitcher:

dan_pechacek:

need.

Andy Pitcher:

think like the natural harmonics that occur on a string are, something an oscillator can not yet recreate and making those harmonics intertwine and like having those overtones clash and, you know, the strings have so many little secrets in them that cannot be remade. And, uh,

andy:

You're saying there's secrets at Dodario that you can't let out? There's

Andy Pitcher:

Yes, that's true.

andy:

lit.

Andy Pitcher:

That is also

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

true.

andy:

You're under an NDA. You can't talk about the little secrets that are

dan_pechacek:

andy:

in them.

Andy Pitcher:

We have like 120

dan_pechacek:

ha. Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

something patents on our production line, which is why we have such a hard time shooting like, oh, you know, everyone's like, let's do factory content. And it's like, oh, we,

andy:

Not all the secrets are in

Andy Pitcher:

yeah,

andy:

there.

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

They'll

Andy Pitcher:

legally

andy:

see all the

Andy Pitcher:

cannot.

andy:

secrets.

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

There's like, there's one position, there's a magic position you can point the camera at and capture a string being made. And if you go

andy:

Yeah. Yep.

Andy Pitcher:

the moment we shoot we can't do anything

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

else.

andy:

Yeah, makes sense to me.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah strings are cool. They're fun. I

andy:

Damn,

Andy Pitcher:

like that physical interaction.

andy:

strings are cool. Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

I think that's something else about

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

the deal for that. It's so fun. There's so many things effects that change the timbre, changes the sound. The deal for is more just like capturing events pretty objectively. And so you can play like a really dry sounding set You never really have a moment where it doesn't sound like a pile of guitars, which is exciting.

andy:

Yeah. And who doesn't want a pile of guitars, you know?

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, like,

andy:

That's all we want.

Andy Pitcher:

like, in the mouth scene.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

andy:

Oh my god, yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Bye.

Andy Pitcher:

I love that video.

andy:

Like Ingve Malmsteen.

dan_pechacek:

I'm

Andy Pitcher:

What a treacherous

andy:

What's

Andy Pitcher:

man.

andy:

that guy

dan_pechacek:

andy:

doing

dan_pechacek:

ha.

andy:

right now? How is

Andy Pitcher:

Nothing

andy:

he in 2023?

Andy Pitcher:

good. Crimes.

andy:

Yeah,

Andy Pitcher:

I don't...

andy:

should I look it up or no?

dan_pechacek:

I was just curious to ask Andy, Andy Pitcher, so we've talked about, I guess, like the devices, like how the DL4 has helped you get to a lot of the tricks that you use, like performing live, but it sounds like you do a lot of different types of live performance. I'm curious if you find that you're usually just playing solo or sitting in with people or like, what do you find that there's any particular like, thing that you do most often as a performer or are you called in a number of different things that are all built on

andy:

You

dan_pechacek:

your,

andy:

think I rolled that and then

dan_pechacek:

what

andy:

some?

dan_pechacek:

do we go with, esoteric?

Andy Pitcher:

I out of context that sounds like Missy Elliott to

dan_pechacek:

Thank

Andy Pitcher:

me.

dan_pechacek:

you.

andy:

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Andy Pitcher:

It does. Yeah, sounds like a weird Timberland moment.

andy:

Okay.

Andy Pitcher:

Um,

andy:

All

Andy Pitcher:

yeah,

andy:

right.

Andy Pitcher:

so I have, I have like four different

andy:

Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

kind

andy:

Bye.

Andy Pitcher:

of, um, performance types where like one, I'm doing solo improv, two, I'm doing like group improv, three, I'm reading charts. So like,

andy:

And

Andy Pitcher:

I'm

andy:

this

Andy Pitcher:

like,

andy:

is, this is all comedy, right? You talking

Andy Pitcher:

yeah, this

andy:

about?

Andy Pitcher:

is all comedy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

andy:

Cool.

Andy Pitcher:

Yes. And,

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha ha ha ha

andy:

Mm-hmm.

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

uh,

andy:

Rule

dan_pechacek:

andy:

number one.

Andy Pitcher:

and, uh, Yeah,

andy:

Egg!

Andy Pitcher:

it's

dan_pechacek:

Egg,

Andy Pitcher:

something

dan_pechacek:

did

Andy Pitcher:

to say,

andy:

dan_pechacek:

somebody

andy:

heard

Andy Pitcher:

egg

dan_pechacek:

say

andy:

egg!

Andy Pitcher:

ice cream.

dan_pechacek:

egg? Hahahaha.

Andy Pitcher:

Eww. And

andy:

Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

then

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

lastly, I guess would be like kind of the demo thing, because I've done more and more like playing at pedal events, you know, like we did the one and, okay, see,

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

and I feel like I play different there than if I'm just playing on a bill, because I'm thinking about pedal sounds instead of just like, raw guitar. And so the DL4 does play a really different part in all those, because I will bring it along for Like when I used to do a lot of plays and I'd play in like the pit band and I would do sound effects. So like, you know, I did like Adams family or something and there's a creaking door. I would do that by like dragging the pick across the string behind the bridge on the jazz on like a wound string on a jazz master with a volume swell. So it's just like, you know, stuff

andy:

That's

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

that.

andy:

cool.

Andy Pitcher:

And the DL4 is so,

dan_pechacek:

That's really

Andy Pitcher:

dan_pechacek:

cool,

Andy Pitcher:

great

dan_pechacek:

yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

for stuff like that because I can, you know, play a chord drop the octave and it's like a dramatic moment. And yeah, so those tricks are really useful when I'm playing like, you know, other sort of chart gigs. I'll just use it as a delay because it is great for that. And if there is a moment where I could do like some sort of free thing in there, where it makes sense, I'll do that. I've done it less recently, but there definitely was like a good year or two where I would even try to use it on like a rock guitar solo moment, you know, where I'd do that double tap delay thing I was talking about

andy:

Mm-hmm.

Andy Pitcher:

loop and I would like be, you know, like running scales and changing the loop speed. And so you get all these like pitch shifting up and down effects that make the guitar sound giant. It is really cross applicable. But more recently, I've been doing a lot of solo stuff. And I have a band sort of that I started writing for. But it's like the tertiary project of everyone involved. And so we get together like, you know, once or twice a year. write and record a couple of other things because we were rehearsing a studio. And the DL4 is all over that stuff. Because I'm running like a split stereo thing and I'm putting a DL4 on e-shamp so I can do

andy:

Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

two separate loops and do the kind of, might as the better thing, but in stereo.

andy:

so cool.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

it's a lot of fun.

andy:

Man, you do some weird stuff, man. You're doing some weird stuff over

dan_pechacek:

andy:

there.

dan_pechacek:

ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

I went to visit a bluegrass musician yesterday and I got there and they were doing a jam in the living room and Some people I didn't know there and and I just sat down and tried to join in and I just was doing a lot of like Derek Bailey Opened you know harmonics and stuff and at the end one of the this older gentlemen He's he was kind but he was like man So where's all that? That's like

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha

Andy Pitcher:

yeah,

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

that's

dan_pechacek:

ha!

Andy Pitcher:

fair

andy:

is all that from.

Andy Pitcher:

I Yeah, I was like, you know,

andy:

Uh.

Andy Pitcher:

I'm never gonna be that guy, so I figured I would just look for the extra notes on the outskirts

andy:

What

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

was

Andy Pitcher:

music.

andy:

the thing you said at the beginning, that line,

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha.

andy:

something about being immeasurable? I'm not bad.

dan_pechacek:

I can't be bad

andy:

Yeah,

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

if I'm

andy:

that's

dan_pechacek:

immeasurable.

andy:

that again. You're like, bro, I'll let you can look at me weird if you

dan_pechacek:

I'm

andy:

want,

dan_pechacek:

gonna

andy:

but

dan_pechacek:

read it.

andy:

I'm doing me and it's

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, I'm doing me.

andy:

fine.

Andy Pitcher:

That's it. This is my voice.

andy:

That's so good.

dan_pechacek:

I'm gonna read to you guys my cheat sheet. I don't know why I wrote that down. I just really loved it. So I wrote, I can't be bad if I'm immeasurable. I was just

andy:

Ja, das.

dan_pechacek:

like,

Andy Pitcher:

Thank

dan_pechacek:

I just

Andy Pitcher:

you.

dan_pechacek:

need to capture this. Right above that, I wrote director of artist marketing because I was like, I'm gonna forget what Andy Pitcher's official title is. But then right above that, during my hours and hours

Andy Pitcher:

Uh-huh.

dan_pechacek:

of deep deal for research that I definitely

andy:

Yep.

dan_pechacek:

did in preparation, I did write down one thing and it's quote, to me.

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha ha!

dan_pechacek:

That's from George Tripp's.

andy:

Haha. Okay.

Andy Pitcher:

That's amazing.

dan_pechacek:

And I forgot that I wrote that down. I was like, I don't know if this will be useful, but I think you'll often stumble into conversations about like, oh, what color is chorus? And people think of classic examples. It's like, oh, it's blue because of

Andy Pitcher:

to.

dan_pechacek:

like the CE2 or something like that. But I thought like, delay is always green to me was so interesting because like, if you say green

andy:

YouTube

dan_pechacek:

pedal,

andy:

Screamer. Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

I feel like

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

people say

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

tube screamer,

Andy Pitcher:

Dead

dan_pechacek:

yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

monkey.

dan_pechacek:

But then it's like, oh, but like the big green monster, the giant green delay,

andy:

the toaster,

dan_pechacek:

the like

andy:

you know?

dan_pechacek:

green is so

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha ha.

dan_pechacek:

identical with the DL4 as well. But I think because the DL4 didn't get like, imitated and so there's a marketing

Andy Pitcher:

Mmm.

dan_pechacek:

language around like,

andy:

But

dan_pechacek:

oh, it's the famous green pedal.

andy:

here's the

dan_pechacek:

That

andy:

thing

dan_pechacek:

means

andy:

dan_pechacek:

it's

andy:

haven't

dan_pechacek:

a Tube

andy:

talked

dan_pechacek:

Screamer

andy:

about

dan_pechacek:

clone.

andy:

about

dan_pechacek:

And

andy:

the

dan_pechacek:

so,

andy:

DL4 too. Is

Andy Pitcher:

interesting.

andy:

it? And this was so funny when the second one came out as people were like, I hate the way it looks.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

Like, yeah, the old one looked like shit too,

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha ha ha

andy:

dude.

dan_pechacek:

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

Ha ha ha ha.

andy:

that's, that's part of maybe the why it's cool. It's because it looks terrible.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

dan_pechacek:

Thank you.

andy:

it looks

dan_pechacek:

Bye.

andy:

terrible. Like we all love it and we're used to it, but no one has done the thing where they like make a green delay or like, yeah, we're referencing the DL4 in the color sense, right?

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

No one is doing

dan_pechacek:

Thank you.

andy:

that.

dan_pechacek:

Bye.

andy:

No one has released a green delay or a toaster looking delay since that. They're all copying the features,

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

but no one's doing the like, oh yeah, you

dan_pechacek:

andy:

know

dan_pechacek:

ha.

andy:

how phasers are orange here?

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

This

Andy Pitcher:

ha. Ha

andy:

one's orange. Check

Andy Pitcher:

ha.

andy:

it out. No one did that with a DL4.

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Bye.

andy:

Haha!

Andy Pitcher:

The only uglier chassis design are the damage control pedals. That

andy:

the old ones?

Andy Pitcher:

the ones that came before, the pre-strimin

andy:

Yeah, like

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

the womanizer and

Andy Pitcher:

the

andy:

the

Andy Pitcher:

womanizer.

andy:

glass Nexus, yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah. Oh my gosh, those are horrendous. That

andy:

But

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

there was a tube

Andy Pitcher:

the greatest

andy:

in there bro,

Andy Pitcher:

rebrand.

andy:

so there was a, and it was lit up so you know, that was good.

Andy Pitcher:

Fucking nuts.

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

I've thought about, I have odd tattoo and it's a blanky from The Simpsons, but I've thought about a deal for a tattoo and I'm like, maybe I could get

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

four

andy:

cool.

Andy Pitcher:

evenly spaced circles. That's the only thing

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

I've come to that would feel good.

andy:

that exact distance like the actual distance

Andy Pitcher:

andy:

and

Andy Pitcher:

yeah,

andy:

size.

Andy Pitcher:

yeah, I'm

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

like my torso.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

That's it, because otherwise, oh my gosh, there's not one thing about this I want on my corpse.

andy:

I'm getting a bad monkey tattoo

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Bye.

andy:

next week, so I got it scheduled.

Andy Pitcher:

I guess family guy.

andy:

No, the...

Andy Pitcher:

Sorry,

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Bye.

andy:

Just...

Andy Pitcher:

I hate that show. I fucking hate family

andy:

It'll be

Andy Pitcher:

guys.

andy:

right next to my chicken, family

dan_pechacek:

Thank you.

andy:

chicken tattoo. It'll

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

andy:

be really cool. I'm gonna go get some chicken.

Andy Pitcher:

if you're out there, fuck you man.

andy:

Ha ha!

seth_mccarroll:

Hey.

andy:

dan_pechacek:

I thought

Andy Pitcher:

No,

dan_pechacek:

you were talking

Andy Pitcher:

no,

dan_pechacek:

to producers,

Andy Pitcher:

no,

dan_pechacek:

Seth.

Andy Pitcher:

not

dan_pechacek:

Hahaha.

Andy Pitcher:

my sweet heart, best buddy.

andy:

Hey, don't talk to my

dan_pechacek:

That's

andy:

friend

dan_pechacek:

like...

andy:

like that.

Andy Pitcher:

Make Farland not make Carol.

andy:

I'm gonna need you to. Okay.

Andy Pitcher:

Thank you. Bye.

dan_pechacek:

Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

It's great.

seth_mccarroll:

Oh, that's

andy:

Ha ha!

seth_mccarroll:

great.

dan_pechacek:

Man, well, that feels like a natural spot to start to bring

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

Thank

dan_pechacek:

this

Andy Pitcher:

you.

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

Bye.

dan_pechacek:

a close.

andy:

dan_pechacek:

I feel

andy:

more!

dan_pechacek:

like we could... So Andy, Andy Pitcher, you came here, you chatted with

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

us for like an hour and we had a lot of fun together and we really appreciate you coming. And I wanted to give you just some space to plug whatever you want

andy:

What

dan_pechacek:

to plug,

andy:

if we

dan_pechacek:

andy:

play...

dan_pechacek:

to point people toward your music or products that support you somehow or

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

just tell people to be good to each other.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

I don't know, I have lots of suggestions, but

andy:

Can

dan_pechacek:

it's

andy:

I play

dan_pechacek:

your time.

andy:

his voicemail underneath

dan_pechacek:

So...

andy:

this section? Would that be okay? The one he left with the music. And the one you left, Andy Pitcher.

Andy Pitcher:

Oh, the one I left today.

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

andy:

While you

Andy Pitcher:

pleasant.

andy:

talk?

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah, yeah.

andy:

This

Andy Pitcher:

So this is my

andy:

is perfect. Go ahead.

Andy Pitcher:

new guitar. It's my Mixed Wooden Wire

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

from Australia. It's really lovely. It's made of aluminum and wood. And shout out to Michael for that. Shout out to Tao. You can find me on Instagram at Andy.picture. I just made a website, www.andypicture.com.

andy:

Thank you. Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

It's got my discography and all the videos I've done on there. So that's a really nice resource. And yeah, just keep an eye on there. I'll have some new sounds coming at some point. Shout out to DL4, shout out to Tensor, shout

andy:

Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

out

andy:

Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

to Cronenberg,

andy:

you

Andy Pitcher:

shout out to Marks, shout out to Seth and Andy and Dan. And I think, there you go, you got fish food happening in the voicemail right now. That's gonna come back.

andy:

Yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

It's gonna get crunchy in a sec, come on.

andy:

I can't wait to hear it.

Andy Pitcher:

Right there, that shh, it sizzles.

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah.

andy:

Is this

dan_pechacek:

Huh.

andy:

the Mark II or one? Okay.

Andy Pitcher:

This is the mark two. I recorded this today.

andy:

Oh yeah, you said it's doing the bug, yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

If you hear at the end, there's a knock. It's my roommate knocked on my door and I quickly shut

dan_pechacek:

Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

off

dan_pechacek:

Bye.

Andy Pitcher:

the phone. It's probably good and realized it was already

dan_pechacek:

Ha ha.

Andy Pitcher:

two minutes in. But yeah, check out the website, check out Instagram.

andy:

I'm checking it out right now. It looks really great.

Andy Pitcher:

If you have any questions about pedals and you wanna talk about it, I don't like talking about anything else. So hit me up there. Except skateboarding. Shout out to Taishan, fucking Skater of the Year, second time, amazing. Bryden Mullin, Gummi Agi, that guy is so for real. Been watching a lot of Kung Fu movies. Check out Yes, Madam, Michelle's first role as a star, really great. All right, I've really had a fill of a lot of space there. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks. Thanks, folks.

dan_pechacek:

That was that was

andy:

That's

dan_pechacek:

beautiful

andy:

like, I don't know.

dan_pechacek:

though.

andy:

Okay,

dan_pechacek:

I love

andy:

that's

dan_pechacek:

that.

andy:

great.

dan_pechacek:

I love it. I love that you got to

andy:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

be your

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah,

dan_pechacek:

own

Andy Pitcher:

dan_pechacek:

soundtrack

Andy Pitcher:

felt good.

dan_pechacek:

for it. That was lovely. Uh, well, yeah, thank

andy:

Thanks

dan_pechacek:

you. Thanks

andy:

dude!

dan_pechacek:

for joining us. Um, thanks to everybody out there for, for listening. Uh, this has been a real fun episode to, um, be sure to support old blood. Like this,

Andy Pitcher:

dan_pechacek:

this

Andy Pitcher:

yeah,

dan_pechacek:

Andy Pitcher:

shout

dan_pechacek:

an old

andy:

dan_pechacek:

blood

andy:

this?

dan_pechacek:

podcast

Andy Pitcher:

out

dan_pechacek:

and

Andy Pitcher:

dan_pechacek:

part

Andy Pitcher:

Dan

dan_pechacek:

of what helps

Andy Pitcher:

designing

dan_pechacek:

us do

Andy Pitcher:

some of

dan_pechacek:

this

Andy Pitcher:

my favorite

dan_pechacek:

is like

Andy Pitcher:

fucking pedals.

andy:

Yo, shout's

seth_mccarroll:

Hmm.

Andy Pitcher:

Over

andy:

out,

Andy Pitcher:

and over.

andy:

Dan.

Andy Pitcher:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Thank you. I want to just talk about

Andy Pitcher:

to.

dan_pechacek:

Dweller forever. Because that was another thing you

Andy Pitcher:

Weller.

dan_pechacek:

were instrumental

andy:

This

dan_pechacek:

in.

andy:

is all about

dan_pechacek:

You

andy:

tone,

dan_pechacek:

called it a phase repeater.

Andy Pitcher:

I, oh yeah,

andy:

right?

Andy Pitcher:

that's my, that's my, that's my proudest phase repeating.

andy:

Hehehe.

dan_pechacek:

But yeah, so oldbloodnoise.com, oldbloodnoise on all the social media and what not. And just to keep up with what we're

andy:

Come

dan_pechacek:

up to

andy:

see us in

dan_pechacek:

and

andy:

Anaheim

dan_pechacek:

get yourself a pedal.

andy:

on April,

dan_pechacek:

Yes.

andy:

whatever, 7th, 16th, 15th.

dan_pechacek:

Yeah, April 15th. I don't know if we actually know when this episode is coming

andy:

dan_pechacek:

out,

andy:

it's

dan_pechacek:

but

andy:

before

dan_pechacek:

if we're pre-April

andy:

that.

dan_pechacek:

15th, then come on out to Windsor Browns in Anaheim. We're going to do a little pedal pop up with lots of friends. We got Chase Bliss, Marys, Empress, Electronic Audio Experiments. Caroline,

andy:

Yep.

dan_pechacek:

is Caroline coming? Whom I miss? It's

andy:

It's

dan_pechacek:

andy:

a great crew.

dan_pechacek:

great crew.

Andy Pitcher:

You know

dan_pechacek:

And

Andy Pitcher:

who else is going to be there?

dan_pechacek:

it's going to be a lot of fun.

andy:

You?

Andy Pitcher:

this guy.

andy:

Yes!

seth_mccarroll:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

エス

andy:

Andy, Andy,

seth_mccarroll:

And dee,

andy:

Andy,

seth_mccarroll:

and

Andy Pitcher:

Andy.

seth_mccarroll:

dee,

dan_pechacek:

and

andy:

Andy.

dan_pechacek:

dee

seth_mccarroll:

and

Andy Pitcher:

But I'm

seth_mccarroll:

dee,

Andy Pitcher:

caring

dan_pechacek:

and

Andy Pitcher:

for the

dan_pechacek:

dee

Andy Pitcher:

other one. Andy.

dan_pechacek:

and dee

Andy Pitcher:

Andy.

andy:

seth_mccarroll:

and

dan_pechacek:

and

andy:

no,

seth_mccarroll:

dee.

dan_pechacek:

dee.

seth_mccarroll:

Yeah.

dan_pechacek:

Alright,

andy:

no. Thank you. Thank you.

Andy Pitcher:

Um, yeah.

dan_pechacek:

thanks so much everybody. Object worship. See you later.

andy:

Hit it, Seth.

seth_mccarroll:

I did,

dan_pechacek:

seth_mccarroll:

it's loading.

Andy Pitcher:

do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do

andy:

It's loading.

dan_pechacek:

Hahahaha

seth_mccarroll:

I don't know what's going on.

andy:

How's it loading?

dan_pechacek:

seth_mccarroll:

It's a little spinny ball. Hello. Object

andy:

There

seth_mccarroll:

Worship

andy:

we go.

seth_mccarroll:

is a production of the OBNE podcast network, hosted by Dan Piaczek, co-hosted by Andy Othling. Technical Direction by Seth Maccarrol. The Object Worship theme song was written and produced by Andy Othling.

andy:

Yup.

seth_mccarroll:

Music Supervision and also by Andy Othling.

andy:

Yup.

seth_mccarroll:

Thank you to our guest, Andy Pitcher.

andy:

Yup.

seth_mccarroll:

All

Andy Pitcher:

Thank

seth_mccarroll:

views

Andy Pitcher:

you.

seth_mccarroll:

and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts, co-hosts, and guests, and do not necessarily reflect the views and positions of OBNE.

andy:

Not necessarily.

seth_mccarroll:

andy:

and beyond. I don't know, can we say that?

Andy Pitcher:

Except

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

trans

andy:

reserve my

Andy Pitcher:

rights,

andy:

rights

Andy Pitcher:

we all

andy:

till

Andy Pitcher:

agree on

andy:

Andy Pitcher:

that

andy:

year

Andy Pitcher:

one.

andy:

too.

seth_mccarroll:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy Pitcher:

Peace.

seth_mccarroll:

and it fades out.

andy:

sick.

seth_mccarroll:

Good job everybody.

Andy Pitcher:

Good job.

seth_mccarroll:

Alright, I'm gonna stop the recording.

dan_pechacek:

It's good fun.